'The MBTI was supposed to take Jung's theory and apply it for research and discovery purposes. So I don't see how your theory would replace it. The way to replace it would be to do a better job of...
You could make the opposite claim as well. Introverts take longer to react, which gives them some time and opportunity to make their point clear and deliberate. Whereas, an extravert does and...
That sounds like perception and identification to me.
Since everyone has emotions and it's confusing determining extraverted feelings verses introverted feelings, I would like to see how you describe Fe without using any reference to emotions...
I don't agree with the INTJ female having short hair. Having I and T, I can't be bothered with the social (i.e. uncomfortable) atmosphere of a salon. I cut my hair when it gets unmanageable, so it's...
The main focus of HSP in the studies is determining a direct relationship to introverts and not to extraverts. So there is a correlation in HSP and personality. Plus, they are looking into up to 4...
I wouldn't say anyone has a natural understanding of anything. I'm just saying intuition is more capable of seeing and identifying intangible information, which fits well with the mystical/religious...
I place religion and philosophy with the J functions. Jung mentioned archetypes and that Ni is tuned into them. That points to objective truths to me, but Ni isn't determining those truths, it just...
Those descriptions above are more generic MBTI and not really fitting of the actual functions. I definitely don't agree with the stereotypes that MBTI used as their references.
More Se/Si top users are scientists and engineers. More likely Ne/Si users. Ti all the way. Intelligence is irrelevant to type Social disorder.
I'm an INTJ and a Christian. The short test I got: 1. Light Giver (Teacher) 2. Heart Revealer (Prophet) 3. Dream Awakener (Apostle) 4. Soul Healer (Pastor) 5. Story Teller (Evangelist)
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No, there is no correlation. Everyone has a type regardless of intelligence or ignorance.
I don't think it is that S users want to be N users. It is more that the descriptions for Ni and Si suck. I think Ne/Se are usually decent enough for typing. IRL when an Si user spends a lot of...
The solution would have to come from credible studies and accurate descriptions. Myers Briggs went the right direction in developing the theory, they just drew the wrong conclusions. The same type of...
From your answers I would say ISTP. I see a lot of S and Fe. Your answers to #4 were all Fe answers.
It's a pretty common issue. Most men don't want to identify with a feeling function. I see value in changing it, but it would need to be done in a separate theory and then popularized. That would be...
The issue is that our emotions do come from the F function and our thoughts do come from the T functions. However, since emotions are not controllable and they stem from our life experiences, we...
I think the MBTI based their conclusions on generalities about people, but then never put the right functions with those generalities (if that is even possible.) The questions to determine INTJ could...
I wonder if many people who type as INTJ are really Se users who have Ni as a lower function and relate to the definitions.
Where did you get that notion? I always pick up on intangible information. I don't turn tangible information into intangible information. I collect the intangible that surrounds the tangible. ...
Yes, the Ne image is helpful identifying Ne users. It is also a way of placing observations into an existing structure. So it works with both Ni and Te. I've only experienced it when I read things...
Your argument #1 I responded to it, and then you changed the premise to argument #2 I responded and then you presented premise #3 Now youx92re back to stating it isnx92t about the child. I can't keep...
I have Te and I have no need for Ti. I'm not convinced that Ti is about inductive processing. I don't think a person will work exclusively with one or the other. And Ni isn't about logic, reason, or...
That is your third premise change. First it's about the child, then it's about how intuitives treat sensors, now it's mocking people who act like that. You keep moving the argument away from your...
The child is totally irrelevant to the actual discussion. Using a child is a ploy to gain sympathy. I'd rather ignore that part completely. And I can't imagine that someone read the OP and missed the...
You are changing the premise. You just said it was about the child. Now you're saying it's about the way NTs treat sensors. Which one is it? You have to actually have a victim to victim blame. I'm...
In order to get to that place in the future, adults would have made those decisions . It wouldn't be N children deciding S children were unworthy. It would be adults. Just because the OP used a child...
According to Jung, it's the collective unconscious in the form of ideas that are ingrained in our human existence. He thought introvert doms could all tap into it in their own ways. I think the...
The OP has listed herself as an NT. The only reason it's a problem is because people make such a big deal about it. Pointing out that sensors are victims makes them victims. I'd rather see...
Oh yay, another victim thread!!! It's typist to assume sensors can't stand up for themselves.
Se does collect the tangible, but Ni is the dominate function, so that tangible information is viewed negatively because it stays in the external orientation. We rely on the intangible collection of...
There is a conscious and unconscious aspect of every function. Except Ni isn't connecting those events like that example. Ni would take in the intangible information of what was observed (emotions,...
Ti is about building impersonal organizations and structures from a subjective standpoint. It isn't anything like Ni, other than the introvert part. Ti forms the connections between the data...
I can't say from a personal perspective, as it happens unconsciously. Though, Jung speaks of the collective unconscious that the introvert taps into for inspiration. I think we relate the new data...
A good way to look at the process is the last bit I wrote at the bottom of this post: http://personalitycafe.com/intj-forum-scientists/241649-mystical-ni-4.html#post7395001
I definitely do not agree. You are moving away from the typing theory and coming up with something else. The P functions observe and the J functions judge. There would be no use for the P functions...
I'm not going to apologize for being unable to use another person's understanding. I can only understand what I understand the way I understand it.
That is not what I meant. I thought maybe you worded it wrong, so I responded that way so you didn't think I agreed with your wording. I'm not even sure what you're getting at. Why would the J...
Intuitive insights are not dependent on the J functions. Your wording makes it seem like a stipulation.
The whole concept of intuition is that it is irrational perception that isn't based on things we can hold in our hands. I know people want it to be rational, but that is not the P functions. We see...
It seems you are using hypothetical circumstances in place of theories. Ni is knowing without experiencing. In that way Ni doms seem to theorize or use the hypothetical. I get what you're saying. ...
I agree with your statement about using Enneagram inappropriately. There is a thread on the ISTP forum about how Enneagram 5 types ISTPs don't use Se. Instead of concluding they aren't ISTPs because...
I knew you would ask. Part of what the J functions operate on are the images. However, there is also the unconscious Ni and Se that is used for the J functions as well, in regards to INTJ.
As I explained, I read your question in a general way.
That example is both tangible and rational. Ni is about the intangible and it is irrational. INTJs would definitely have to engage Se to come up with what is in your example, but since Se isn't our...
I took Jung's words and wrote my OP from them. He first said it, and I was agreeing with him.
I don't see how or why I would take someone else's understanding of the functions and then type people with it. I have my own understanding, which is what I use. I guess you are calling that a view,...
That is a lot of questions. I observed Ne users for a long while. At some point I had an image, which I described as a texture for lack of a better word. I see that as the objective information...
That is an assumption on your part. I don't think people who are mistyped share the same functions as me. It has nothing to do with whether they share my views.'
